Clefairy · Cosmic Eclipse (CEC) #144

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   Nos

   (1 year ago)

   Pretty strong when combined with baby evolution Cleffa and Boost Energy.

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   Henry VIII

   (1 year ago)

   In Asia, this card had a character rare version with Lillie that we never got over here :(
   https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Clefairy_(Cosmic_Eclipse_144)#Release_information

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     TwylisHenry VIII

     (1 year ago)

     There’s quite a few limited-release promos that never get English releases, but that one definitely hurts more than most. I’d love it if this site were to compile all the missing cards that never got international releases to create an even more comprehensive art compendium, but I imagine that’d be a fairly huge undertaking.

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   televisionnation

   (4 months ago)

   Would the effect of Doll Swap be prevented by Team Up Omastar’s Fossil Bind Ability? Lillie’s Poké Doll would be played by the effect of the attack so maybe it could circumvent Fossil Bind, or does Fossil Bind cover Item cards played be Attacks as well?

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     televisionnationtelevisionnation

     (4 months ago)

     Additionally Lillie’s Poké Doll states “Play this card as if it were a 30-HP Colorless Basic Pokémon” – does that mean it circumvents Fossil Bind entirely since it’s played as a Pokémon & not an Item card? At what point does it’s classification transfer from Item to Pokémon?

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       Twylistelevisionnation

       (4 months ago)

       Lillie’s Poke Doll would be blocked by Omastar by virtue of being an Item — while you do play it as a pokemon, it’s still an Item until you actually play it.

       I’m less certain about Doll Swap’s interaction. It’s not in the English compendium, but I suspect Clefairy would go into your hand and then Lillie’s Poke Doll would get blocked from replacing it (thus losing the game if your bench is empty). My reasoning being that from-hand energy attachments using attacks still count as being played “from the hand”. Might be wrong tho :v

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         AmbassadorTwylis

         (4 months ago)

         I was somewhat skeptical about your first point here, or at least wondering if it’s something that could get lost in translation – “play this card as if it were a [Pokémon]” can be read many ways, and doesn’t necessarily mean it *is* or isn’t “like” a Pokémon when you play it from your hand, but there is a pokemon-card.com ruling which says Noivern-GX’s Distort [“Your opponent can’t play any Item cards from their hand during their next turn.”] will stop someone from being able to play Unidentified Fossil. Both the latter card and Lillie’s Poké Doll have the same preamble text so it’s a pretty one-to-one there, and I think Noivern GX is one-to-one with TEU Omastar for the purpose of the scenario we’re discussing?

         If you allow that, then you’re right on the second point as well, as there is a Q&A about Noivern GX’s Distort and its interaction with this Clefairy and its Doll Swap attack. Noivern GX’s Distort will stop you from being able to put Lillie’s Poké Doll. (It doesn’t answer whether you can put the Clefairy back in your hand in the first place, but there’s a previous Q&A regarding Alolan Golem GX’s Heavy Rock GX attack & this card – basically the same scenario – where it explains Clefairy goes back into your hand, but Lillie’s Poké Doll can’t go into play.)

         There’s a lingering question to all this – “At what point does it’s classification transfer from Item to Pokémon?” Informed by my comments back on Ancient Technical Machine [Ice] and the LM print of Mysterious Fossil, I want to say cards like Lillie’s Poké Doll and Unidentified Fossil should be treated as *both* Items and Pokémon while in play, but the LM print of Mysterious Fossil went to pains to update the text to say exactly that, and these new EN cards don’t say anything. However – neither do the JP cards, and the JP cards didn’t say it back then either, so that doesn’t really mean much? It could be an implicit rule of the TCG now, just as it was back then, but I can’t think of a scenario where it comes up. Do we have anything like ATM [Ice] in the current format?

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           TwylisAmbassador

           (4 months ago)

           Found a comparable example in Robo Substitute:
           https://compendium.pokegym.net/ruling/408/
           Which essentially confirms that yes, Omastar blocks Lillie’s Poke Doll due to its Item status.

           I suspect there’s no rulings on whether or not they count as Trainers when they’re in play because there’s no modern cards that target in-play Trainers in general. It’s such a niche category of card that usually if something targets in-play Trainers, it’s just going to specify Stadiums and/or Tools since those are broadly the only ones that are ever in-play at all.
           The LM Mysterious Fossil ruling seems like the last word on the topic:
           https://compendium.pokegym.net/ruling/752/