Milotic · Evolving Skies (EVS) #038

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   F4ll1ngSk1es

   (3 years ago)

   Does this stop Boss’s Orders · Rebel Clash (RCL) #154?

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     007manyoF4ll1ngSk1es

     (3 years ago)

     I think no, because that is an effect on your Pokemon, not you or your hand. It would stop cards like Marnie or N, though.

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   Martin

   (3 years ago)

   I understand this stops cards like Marnie (SSH) #169 and N (NVI) #92, but I feel I am feel I am missing some other cards that this also stops. It seems to make a distinction between “you OR your hand”. What cards are covered by the inclusion of “you”? If none, why is this card not worded as just “prevent all effects of that card done to your hand”, minus the “you or”?

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     AbryMartin

     (3 years ago)

     May be like Umbreon & Darkrai-GX · Unified Minds (UNM) #125‘ Dark Moon?
     “Your opponent can’t play” any Trainer cards from their hand during their next turn…

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     Abry, againMartin

     (3 years ago)

     Phione‘s ability: Whirlpool Suction
     Once during your turn (before your attack), if this Pokémon is on your Bench, you may have _your opponent_ switch their Active Pokémon with 1 of their Benched Pokémon.

     Trevenant‘s Perplexing Forest : 20
     You may have _your opponent_ switch their Active Pokémon with 1 of their Benched Pokémon.

     Escape Rope maybe too

     Omastar‘s Fossil Bind:
     As long as you have fewer Pokémon in play than your opponent, _they can’t play_ any Item cards from their hand.

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   Martin

   (3 years ago)

   Thanks for the replies, Arby. I am unsure if any of these cards would covered by Milotic, however, as Milotic stipulates only Supporter cards, and not Abilities.

   Some of your cards bring up ideas with me though. If those cards DID get prevented by Milotic, why would Boss’s Orders not be (“Switch 1 of _your opponents_ Benched Polemon”). Although with Boss’s Orders you get to choose, it would still “target” your opponent like these Abilities.

   The reason I ask is because I plan to run this in my cube with older cards, things like Seeker · Triumphant (TM) #88, and there are going to be a few interaction questions that come up.

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     AbryMartin

     (3 years ago)

     Uh, I’m blind, I focused on the last part and not the “supporter” part. I’m sorry, checking by searching keywords I have to agree to your op; it seems all cards refers to the hand or a specific card, and not “your opponent” directly (except for Marnie, N and the similar cards that say “Your opponent shuffles…”; maybe Guzma?).

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       MartinAbry

       (3 years ago)

       Thanks for your thoughts, Abry, it has been a big help. I found an official ruling here; https://compendium.pokegym.net/all-rulings-by-date/. I feel it’s best to run it as just a hand-disruprion preventer, and ignore the confusing “you or” clause. Looks like that text was added without any thought as to what it actually adds to the card’s coverage.

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         AbryMartin

         (3 years ago)

         Do you think that the “Team Battle” format (2v2 and 3v3 maybe), though now is a “for fun” format, may be involved in this? Is that format going to be renewed/restored by TPC? In that case, Milotic protects you and not “your Team-mate”, right?

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     LeoBNMartin

     (3 years ago)

     I looked for other Supporters that should be stopped by this Milotic’s Ability:
     Rocket’s Admin. · Team Rocket Returns (TR) #86
     Team Galactic’s Wager · Mysterious Treasures (MT) #115
     Team Galactic’s Mars · Secret Wonders (SW) #126
     Looker’s Investigation · Platinum (PL) #109
     Cyrus’s Initiative · Supreme Victors (SV) #137
     Judge · Unleashed (UL) #78
     Team Rocket’s Trickery · Undaunted (UD) #78
     Hooligans Jim & Cas · Dark Explorers (DEX) #95
     Hugh · Boundaries Crossed (BCR) #130
     Ghetsis · Plasma Freeze (PLF) #101
     Ace Trainer · Ancient Origins (AOR) #69
     Hex Maniac · Ancient Origins (AOR) #75 partially
     Delinquent · BREAKpoint (BKP) #98
     Psychic’s Third Eye · BREAKpoint (BKP) #108
     Ilima · Sun & Moon (SUM) #121
     Team Skull Grunt · Sun & Moon (SUM) #133
     Wicke · Burning Shadows (BUS) #127
     Mars · Ultra Prism (UPR) #128
     Morty · Lost Thunder (LOT) #186
     Jessie & James · Hidden Fates (HIF) #58
     Sabrina’s Suggestion · Hidden Fates (HIF) #65
     Oleana · Rebel Clash (RCL) #163

     Note that all of these Supporters affect “your hand” and not “you”. I couldn’t find an example of Supporter for it.

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     LeoBNMartin

     (3 years ago)

     Regadring to affect you, I couln’t find a Supporter that does that. However, there is a Marowak’s Ability that prevent effects of attacks done to you or your hand by your opponent’s Pokémon.It’s the only other card I’ve found that has “to you or your hand”:
     Marowak · Fates Collide (FCO) #37

     This remembers me of attacks that can affect the player. Here are some other examples, as Abry posted some before:
     Manectric ex · Deoxys (DX) #101
     Vileplume · Legends Awakened (LA) #45
     Aerodactyl GL · Rising Rivals (RR) #55
     Spiritomb · Phantom Forces (PHF) #55
     Giratina-EX · Ancient Origins (AOR) #57
     Noivern-GX · Burning Shadows (BUS) #99
     Alolan Golem-GX · Crimson Invasion (CIN) #34
     Shadow Rider Calyrex V · Chilling Reign (CRE) #074

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       MartinLeoBN

       (3 years ago)

       Thanks for this, Leon, especially going through all that effort with the Supporter cards. Looks like it’s just a random bit of text to “tease” you that Boss’s Orders might be prevented, but isn’t XD

       As an aside, after playing enough MTG, had it not been for this discussion I’d probably have said that this *would* stop anything that “targets” you. That would have included Boss’s Orders, Seeker, etc. Alas, Pokémon is a bit more vague with its wording of things :)

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         MartinMartin

         (3 years ago)

         I suppose they might be covering all their bases, incase they ever print a Supporter that puts an effect on your opponent. Or maybe they already have a plan to print a card with kind of effect. Something like “Until your next turn, your opponent can’t play any Item cards”, on a Supporter.

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   Abry

   (3 years ago)

   What about Avery · Chilling Reign (CRE) #130? “your opponent discards Pokémon from their Bench until they have 3”

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     MartinAbry

     (3 years ago)

     Good spot. I’d say yes, but then again I’d say yes to Boss’s Orders, so my opinion is void here XD But what about Flannery or Agatha too? Similarly, Seeker, that I brought up earlier? These all disrupt your opponent’s Pokémon, which doesn’t seem to count as disrupting your opponent. Avery does stipulate “your opponent discards Pokémon”, rather than _you_ discarding _their_ Pokémon, so maybe?

     But the further question that arises from this; what about Team Yell Grunt? “Put an Energy attached to 1 of your opponent’s Pokémon into their hand”. If you’re not affecting the cards already in their hand, does it count as affecting “their hand”? I’d say yes.

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       AbryMartin

       (3 years ago)

       If Boss’s orders was spelled as escape rope then I think Milotic would prevent it, but it refers to the player moving opponent benched/active Pokémon so it’s not on the player or player’s hand…

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     LightYearLiamAbry

     (1 year ago)

     https://compendium.pokegym.net/category/5-trainers/avery/ It does protect from Avery, because technically Avery is an effect on the player.

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